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LucemPortabo said:
This is another of my issues with conspiracy culture... Its like a game of turning every tragic event into part of the mythology, and seeing who can come up with the best story for what the truth is.
A popular paranormal/conspiracy podcast recently featured a respected conspiracy researcher who claimed to have figured out that the Columbine shooting was a planned Satanic ritual by the Satanist elite... and all the fans just marvel at the scary sinisterness of it all. Its like a form of entertainment, not dissimilar to the detached fear of a fucked up horror film.
I just saw on Lunaticoutpost (http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Freemason-Logo-on-Colorado-theater) that someone thinks the lines on the outside of the theater, look like freemason compasses. I want to slap them.
NOT that I don't believe in conspiracies and what not, but it is shit like that, that does a huge disservice to any truth.
Apparently this:
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LucemPortabo said:
This is another of my issues with conspiracy culture... Its like a game of turning every tragic event into part of the mythology, and seeing who can come up with the best story for what the truth is.
A popular paranormal/conspiracy podcast recently featured a respected conspiracy researcher who claimed to have figured out that the Columbine shooting was a planned Satanic ritual by the Satanist elite... and all the fans just marvel at the scary sinisterness of it all. Its like a form of entertainment, not dissimilar to the detached fear of a fucked up horror film.
I totally agree with you dude. I think anyone running round going 'it's a conspiracy' with certainty is delusional or disengenuous. I don't cling to the idea that it has to be that, like so many do. To do that in a way is buying into the hype and in a sense the very fear induction I was talking about, and can very much be a weakness of mind akin to that of fundamentalist religious people, clinging to the life-raft of their beliefs so strongly to dissuade the brutal fact that life is chaotic, the universe is indifferent and fucked up shit just happens sometimes. I think the faulty logic is to think that once you have the belief that false flag and state sponsored terrorism exists and has happened, that every nasty event that happens must be a conspiracy.
I do however also think, that to walk around with the conviction that conspiracy at that level would or could never happen with certainty is just as feeble minded.
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Jared said:
This has been tweeted and retweeted by Patton Oswalt, Brendon Walsh, and Doug Stanhope. It's spot on.
Word to a muhfucker
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Hamsterfist said:LucemPortabo said:
This is another of my issues with conspiracy culture... Its like a game of turning every tragic event into part of the mythology, and seeing who can come up with the best story for what the truth is.
A popular paranormal/conspiracy podcast recently featured a respected conspiracy researcher who claimed to have figured out that the Columbine shooting was a planned Satanic ritual by the Satanist elite... and all the fans just marvel at the scary sinisterness of it all. Its like a form of entertainment, not dissimilar to the detached fear of a fucked up horror film.
I just saw on Lunaticoutpost (http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Freemason-Logo-on-Colorado-theater) that someone thinks the lines on the outside of the theater, look like freemason compasses. I want to slap them.
NOT that I don't believe in conspiracies and what not, but it is shit like that, that does a huge disservice to any truth.
sigh........
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wolfmanalpha said:Hamsterfist said:LucemPortabo said:
This is another of my issues with conspiracy culture... Its like a game of turning every tragic event into part of the mythology, and seeing who can come up with the best story for what the truth is.
A popular paranormal/conspiracy podcast recently featured a respected conspiracy researcher who claimed to have figured out that the Columbine shooting was a planned Satanic ritual by the Satanist elite... and all the fans just marvel at the scary sinisterness of it all. Its like a form of entertainment, not dissimilar to the detached fear of a fucked up horror film.
I just saw on Lunaticoutpost (http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Freemason-Logo-on-Colorado-theater) that someone thinks the lines on the outside of the theater, look like freemason compasses. I want to slap them.
NOT that I don't believe in conspiracies and what not, but it is shit like that, that does a huge disservice to any truth.
sigh........
century 16... 1+ 6 = 7... 1776...Adam Weishaupt...
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I don't get that Charlie Brooker video.
They're saying that reporting on this is wrong because it causes more mass murders?
They should not sensationalize murder and make it boring?
That's so strange. Like when someone want to suppress information so that people "won't get hurt". I even read comments somewhere else saying that we shouldn't even call the batman killer by name, what's up with that? Ridiculous. -
martinl said:
I don't get that Charlie Brooker video.
They're saying that reporting on this is wrong because it causes more mass murders?
They should not sensationalize murder and make it boring?
That's so strange. Like when someone want to suppress information so that people "won't get hurt". I even read comments somewhere else saying that we shouldn't even call the batman killer by name, what's up with that? Ridiculous.
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I have a friend in news media as a reporter/videographer who told me the reason that they cover murders so intensely is because it is what the people want to see. Despite anything anyone tells you otherwise, the facts are: if there was no market for the violence they would not air it. However, when tragedies like this happen ratings spike and people get glued to the news. Think 9/11, or the Pacific Tsunami, or the Japan Earthquake. More people watching means airtime can sell for more money. Ergo, death = $. Sex = $, too. Violence, pain and suffering definitely = $. Sad but true, and a good reason to stop watching TV.
Incidentally, I asked him how he deals with seeing so much violence and he said they all cope by numbing themselves to it as much as possible. Only one death he covered in the last few years really got to him. I admire him a lot, but then it also made me think that the people in Nazi Germany probably just coped by numbing themselves to the violence and inhumanity, too. Chilling to think about because really any of us could be on either side of the violence if the circumstances were right. So grateful they have not been right in my life."the idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving" - Boat Car Guy -
The fact that it was at this movie has to be related. I haven't seen the most recent, but the whole Joker as being the necessary anti-hero and the significance of what he stood for in the last movie definitely feels like it is being alluded to in this incident. Whether he was brainwashed into doing this or not is certainly a good question. It wouldn't surprise me considering things like the fact that ted kazinsky was involved in the MK Ultra program from the 60's, and that false flag operations have been elevated to such horrific levels in the past. God dammit I'm sick of having to think about how fucked up shit is.
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LucemPortabo said:
I don't even remotely think this happened because of the movie series, because that's just ridiculous...
I agree with a lot of your thoughts Lucem, but then again... when some fucking soulless psychopath attempts to slaughter an entire audience, I really have to wonder.
If it were simply terrorism, why didn't he attack any other franchise? Or a different group of people? It was specifically the Dark Knight; guns, cops, bombs, criminals... all portrayed intensely close to real life scenarios, because Gotham is really no longer portrayed as a fictitious place.
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heard reports he was dressed as the Joker...
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Lots of rumors. Confirmed reports are of black body armor and gas mask. Colorado local news has the best coverage - http://www.9news.com/video/9newsonline.aspx
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A great book to read on these psycho dudes is Dave Mcgowan's Programmed to Kill. He also has some great interviews on youtube about crazy shit happening at Laurel Canyon over the years. Like how Jim Morrison (a leader of hippy movement) was the sun of the guy in charge of the gulf of Tonkin joke.
either way, in a just society they would extract all info from the guy possible and then blow his brains out. instead of how cali pays millions of dollars a year to keep charlie manson incarcerated (why is the state broke?). It is filled with morons. It is amazing because i can live off of a net of 35000 a year. the only thing about intel gathering is who is interrogating him and how much do they keep to themselves. It is pretty amazing that he stayed alive, that is extremely unusual in these types of incidents. especially considering how he was carrying weapons allegedly at the time yet the cannibal in miami got shot and killed (completely fake story) This one may have legs though.
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There was some news that showed where he bought his armor, from missouri. his guns from a bass pro shop in colorado. The real question is where the fuck you get tear gas bombs from. that is a red flag.Post edited by nordicpheasant at 2012-07-21 10:29:53celticrebel.wordpress.com
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mentalfuck said:
again I have to wonder, why during THIS film?
Well the first part of my post there says a bit about synchronicity and the collective unconscious. Now I'm not saying I believe this is why, its just an observation that this event happened to manifest itself in a place that does seem related. In this view, it happened at that film because the film itself is representative of this element of psychotic violence as a means to an end in the collective unconscious.
Like in a dream where your unconscious uses personal and archetypal images to convey meaning- here the archetype of psychopathic violence is represented by the Batman series.
And then there's always the fact that the new Batman film is simply the most popular film of the summer, guaranteeing a lot of people in the theatre and a lot of attention. This relates to @martinl's questions about not reporting so heavily on these incidents. If we provide 24+ hours of focused coverage on a shooting and the shooter, making it the central story in all of the news, then we are reinforcing that people have an outlet to make their suffering known to the world.
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I've read he may have been experimenting with brain altering substances through his studies, that MIGHT explain why a seemingly intelligent person may have a mental implosion to this degree. I also keep seeing he left CO uni for an "undisclosed reason." I have to agree that if news outlets didn't give such attention to these people, it wouldn't fulfill their 'goal.' but the truth is I am interested in the news from Aurora. I go about my day, but observing tragedy is a human experience.
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I went to see The Dark Knight Rises today. I'm in Glasgow, Scotland, many miles away from this horrific incident. However, bag searches are now being conducted in this particular cinema, not usual practice. I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong but it does make you stop and think about how events like this can change our perceptions of danger. The cold, unfortunate truth is that if someone is of such a will, they can find ways to carryout horrific acts any time or place. Can we really guard against that. Although I didn't feel in any danger it was a bit of surreal experience given what had transpired. Interestingly there are a number of terrorist/concealed weapon leading into shootout scenarios. But then again its an action film.
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Although I didn't feel in any danger it was a bit of surreal experience given what had transpired.
Yeah, I didn't see this film but finally went to see Prometheus last night and the only trailer shown was for The Dark Knight Rises... there seemed to be a silent acknowledgement among the crowd, or maybe that was just me in my thoughts.
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http://disinfo.libsyn.com/the-disinfo-cast-with-matt-staggs-episode-17-emil-chiaberi-director-murder-by-proxy-how-america-went-postalIn the pre-dawn hours of July 20, a heavily armed 24 year-old doctoral student named James Eagan Holmes entered an Aurora, Coloroda theater and started firing during a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises. In a matter of minutes, a dozen men, women and children were dead, and scores more wounded. Holmes turned himself over to police, reportedly telling them that he was Batman's nemesis The Joker.
It was an incomprehensible crime, but only on in a long line of mass murders committed in the United States. What drives people to do such a thing? Troubled by this perhaps unanswerable question, I called Emil Chiaberi, the director, writer and producer of a gripping new documentary on the phenomenon of mass murders: Murder by Proxy: How America Went Postal. -
The disinfocast I posted a link to above is actually a pretty good discussion, and the kind of things news outlets should be focusing on when covering these stories. Emil Chiaberi makes excellent points in noting that these shooters don't just develop these ideas spontaneously and overnight. Soulcrushing jobs, being treated like shit constantly, isolation and lack of self value/development of individual will to live.... It certainly seems that the current machine produces these angry and troubled people.. just look at all the talk on DTFH (and forum, and JRE and everywhere) about how people are so completely fed up with their required work situation and how it can ultimately lead to suicidal hopelessness. A lot of shootings happen at workplaces... Attempts to lash out against the perceived machine, in the form of attacks on whatever they relate to the machine.
Another indication that the current manifestation of society and culture needs some major shifting. Why are we ok with producing individuals so disconnected and angry that this happens?Post edited by LucemPortabo at 2012-07-21 14:54:17 -
Here's a very succinct interesting comment that I read, which was in response to an article describing what biographical information has been released about the shooter. Some excellent questions:
"EC:
There are some glaring inconsistencies arising in the massacre when you stop to piece a few things together.1. How does a grad student who was unemployed afford the money to purchase authentic and expensive SWAT equipment (i.e., thousands)? 2. Why does he dress up like a soldier to take out unarmed civilians, which he does, then passively wait by his car to give up without a fight with police? 3. Where does a student even obtain such specialty equipment that resembles restricted military material, the black market? 4. Nothing is indicated in his personality that he had this capacity for violence, in fact he was shy and quiet, as noted consistently by those that knew him? 5. What could account for shuch a violent shilft in behavior, in a manner of a months, that causes one to boldly jump into unreality. Does it not look like he might have had some mind alteration experience, perhaps something he submitted to, and this is the (literally) crazy outcome of it? 6. Why would he indiscrimnately shoot unarmed people of all ages, without remorse and warning, then casually tip off police that he had explosives in his apartment (as if he suddenly feared police also being killed and other unknown innocents in the apartment getting harmed.)?
In short, as one thinks about it, it looks more like he might has been prepared and sent, rather than this being a self-initiating 'one-man' horror show without explanations and telltale patterns. Was something done to him? Stranger things have happened (and documented) under governments where incidents of violence or terrorist threats were actually staged in advanced (by FBI) to create impressions, or certain moods and even political outcomes.
Who knows? One key point worth looking at is the comment by his parents that they thought the authorities had the 'right person.' Parents who make that conclusion as soon as they did have a story to tell. I hope we hear it."
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ehhrrwal said:
Here's a very succinct interesting comment that I read, which was in response to an article describing what biographical information has been released about the shooter. Some excellent questions:
"EC:
There are some glaring inconsistencies arising in the massacre when you stop to piece a few things together.1. How does a grad student who was unemployed afford the money to purchase authentic and expensive SWAT equipment (i.e., thousands)? 2. Why does he dress up like a soldier to take out unarmed civilians, which he does, then passively wait by his car to give up without a fight with police? 3. Where does a student even obtain such specialty equipment that resembles restricted military material, the black market? 4. Nothing is indicated in his personality that he had this capacity for violence, in fact he was shy and quiet, as noted consistently by those that knew him? 5. What could account for shuch a violent shilft in behavior, in a manner of a months, that causes one to boldly jump into unreality. Does it not look like he might have had some mind alteration experience, perhaps something he submitted to, and this is the (literally) crazy outcome of it? 6. Why would he indiscrimnately shoot unarmed people of all ages, without remorse and warning, then casually tip off police that he had explosives in his apartment (as if he suddenly feared police also being killed and other unknown innocents in the apartment getting harmed.)?
In short, as one thinks about it, it looks more like he might has been prepared and sent, rather than this being a self-initiating 'one-man' horror show without explanations and telltale patterns. Was something done to him? Stranger things have happened (and documented) under governments where incidents of violence or terrorist threats were actually staged in advanced (by FBI) to create impressions, or certain moods and even political outcomes.
Who knows? One key point worth looking at is the comment by his parents that they thought the authorities had the 'right person.' Parents who make that conclusion as soon as they did have a story to tell. I hope we hear it."
If I may...
1. Easiest one--Credit, loads of credit, which college kids can come by very very easily
2. He was also dressed up like a cop...also, he is obviously insane
3. Nope...depending on state laws, everything he had can be bought legally
4.Typical of mass murderers...although applying the Black Swan theory, there will be plenty of clarity in hindsight
5. Not really. He might have just reached the point where he could no longer silence the voices...possibly the stress of school was the final straw
6. He is clearly insane.
No offense to any of you posing similar theories, but this "prepared and sent" stuff is a load of shit. Nothing is pointing toward anything other than "fucking crazy"
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@sherpa17
I don't believe or disbelieve anything, and I have no theory on the motivations of the shooter. However, deciding that anything is "a load of shit" at this point is a gross assumption. There needs to be more information, and it is important that questions like that are asked. Deciding that the only explanation is that he is "fucking crazy" (while potentially being totally accurate) at this stage is just fulfilling the need to have a simple answer that fits- that being the most vague and all-inclusive. Unsatisfactory conclusion.Post edited by ehhrrwal at 2012-07-21 20:31:20 -
It depresses me that one of those cops didn't just shoot him in the fucking head.Love is what occurs when the universe recognizes itself for what it is.
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I understand and appreciate your sentiment but answers are important. He'll get what's coming to him.Doctor_Bob said:It depresses me that one of those cops didn't just shoot him in the fucking head.
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@ehhrrwal "In short, as one thinks about it, it looks more like he might has been prepared and sent, rather than this being a self-initiating 'one-man' horror show without explanations and telltale patterns."
So, my take based on the known facts point to an obvious conclusion--Occam's Razor and all of that. Your words, quoted above, show that you to believe something that is preposterous on its face. You say you don't believe or not believe anything, but obviously you do. Your idiosyncratic and outlandish belief is that it appears likely he was sent into that theater.
I don't think anything about the world is simple. I believe a lot of crazy people can hold it together and some snap and do bad things. This is obviously a case of crazy. The problem with having a mind that is too open is that shit can get let in.Post edited by sherpa17 at 2012-07-21 20:48:46 -
it's frustrating to me how we all have this meager trickle of info, and some people won't hesitate to tell you what absolutely DIDN'T happen. you're entitled to your opinion but we just don't know for sure
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@sherpa17 And I respect your need for immediate conclusions. In fact, it's probably better just to not question anything. The world is scary when you stop ignoring the scarcity of concrete objective facts. I however would like more information before I start pretending that what I believe is objective truth.Post edited by ehhrrwal at 2012-07-21 21:31:40
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The timing is suspicious though.
And don't say the government is not willing to kill people to promote an agenda through psych warfare.
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nordicpheasant said:
There was some news that showed where he bought his armor, from missouri. his guns from a bass pro shop in colorado. The real question is where the fuck you get tear gas bombs from. that is a red flag.
Here you go... http://www.keepshooting.com/clear-out-6oz-tear-gas-grenade.html
I'm not sure if they sell red flags
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More common sense and clear thinking
http://www.disinfo.com/2012/07/questioning-the-conspiracy-the-aurora-shootings/ -
As someone who lives in Colorado, works at a comic book store, and saw a DKR midnight showing at a theater locally, I have had to talk about this sickening situation a lot and I can't believe this thread has become a conspiracy theory discussion. What the Fuck?
This is worse than the news here focusing more on the killer than the victims.
congrats @nordicpheasant I didn't think you could top your disturbing homophobic posts as nordicpeasant. -
sherpa17 said:
More common sense and clear thinking
http://www.disinfo.com/2012/07/questioning-the-conspiracy-the-aurora-shootings/
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Opie and Anthony with Louis CK talking shit on the Virginia Tech shooter.
This is what everyone should do. The news should either trash talk the idiots and, if they must show a photo, show those ugly, embarrassing ones from their childhood. But everyone should at least call them a fucking loooser.
(Nitty gritty starts @ 24:45)
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Nater said:
As someone who lives in Colorado, works at a comic book store, and saw a DKR midnight showing at a theater locally, I have had to talk about this sickening situation a lot and I can't believe this thread has become a conspiracy theory discussion. What the Fuck?
This is worse than the news here focusing more on the killer than the victims.
congrats @nordicpheasant I didn't think you could top your disturbing homophobic posts as nordicpeasant.
Our society is not empathic, sympathetic, sane, peaceful, rational or reasonable.
We are mired in media phantasms where we, more often than not, watch people kill each other in dramatic and carefully crafted artistic ways.
More people than ever feel a fundamental distrust for the news headers and images that come pouring into our brains on a day to day basis. Yes, we are skeptical of everything now.
People can't conceive of such violence anymore because of the culture, don't blame them for that. They're brainwashed. Most of us are to some degree.
A manchurian candidate is a possibility.
In either explanation as the case may be, something is very wrong with the world.
And it's not just the world. It's what the world has seeded within us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ARTICHOKE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA
This has come a few weeks ahead of the UN arms treaty.
The Mexican president is calling out for gun control.
And Piers Morgan and all the rest.
No one wants to die, and most people don't want other people to die.
That's a given. To question the circumstances which have very little background to begin with is not to cheer on the murderer.
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