Vegetarians / Vegans
  • Breakfast-

    Protein Shake

    Falaffels, Rice, veggies

    Snack -
    Greek Yogurt
  • I briefly experimented with a raw vegan diet for about a week, and tried vegetarianism for about a week and a half a few months later. Both times, for the first two days, I felt very 'clean' and energetic, but by the third day, I felt like I had a severe flu. Body aches, not thinking clearly, unable to exercise, and in general not feeling well. Vegan friends tell me that was my body detoxing, but I think it was because I wasn't getting enough calories or nutrition. I have an ectomorph body type and I struggle to eat enough for my wicked fast metabolism. I still eat a healthy diet consisting mostly of fruits/vegetables, but meat is an important part of that healthy diet for me.

    Factory farming is undoubtedly a scourge, but I see no inherent immorality in killing anything for food. I make very little distinction between whether I killed an animal or a plant for my food. In both cases, I acknowledge the suffering of the living being, thank it for its sacrifice, and contemplate how this oblation of brahman is offered up by brahman and consumed by brahman. The only thing that bothers me somewhat is people who refuse to acknowledge that death is inherent in the act of eating. Arguing that microbes, plants, fungi, insects, fish, or whatever do not feel pain when consumed is just semantics to me; death still occurs. There is nothing wrong with death, it is an integral part of life. Especially absurd are those who eat meat while simultaneously saying that hunting is barbaric. Ideally, I'd like to get to a point where all the meat I eat is hunted by me, heavily influenced by how many native american tribes view hunting. I can ensure that the animal lived a happy life in the wild, offer thanks/respect to the animal personally, and have the blood exclusively on my hands.

    That said, this is all just my personal opinion. I don't push my beliefs on anyone, or look down on other views of how food works, unless it is blatantly hypocritical with a holier than thou attitude. Everyone's bodies are different and they should put some thought and responsibility into their food, regardless of what diet they end up choosing.

    Eat well, friends and family! ˆ◡ˆ
    Post edited by Krishna at 2012-03-28 14:45:52
    एकम् सत् विप्राः बहुधा वदन्ति
    That which exists is One, but sages call it by various names.
  • I've been a vegan for 2 years and a vegetarian for 16 years, and I never had a problem until Marine Corps bootcamp. I went from 170 pounds at 6' down to 135' after bootcamp. I had terrible pneumonia and, towards the end of bootcamp, incontinence. I think I was probably starving to death, literally. I was far from Marine material by the time they were done with me!

    They gave us only maybe 5 minutes to down any meal (while screaming at us), and I couldn't get enough salad and cereal in my face. I started eating a little chicken after bootcamp and kept this up until I was getting out. I will say it was easier to be a bulky dude in the Marines with that condensed protein, but I've kept in great shape in the 6 or 7 years since I got out without it or much if any animal protein (none these days as a vegan).

    Honestly it's not hard AT ALL to find enough protein. As a vegetarian I put barely a thought into it and still gained muscle and was super healthy. Now as a vegan I don't have to put much more thought into it, and I'm still doing great.

    Just my personal anecdote! I just want people to know that a vegetarian lifestyle is totally viable, and I am convinced a vegan one is too. It's not even difficult at all. That's not to invalidate the last poster or anyone else - I just personally believe it's very easy to pull off, and the health benefits are enormous (just look at rates of heart disease and cancer in veggie vs meat eating populations). That's not even starting in on the many other very good reasons to at least cut back on meat.
  • Vegetarian for 6 years, vegan 3 and I feel pretty good all the time. The hardest thing for me is trying to find affordable vegan art supplies. Some paints and inks do have animal ingredients, but I think trying to limit that as much as possible will indeed help the cause and influence my art in a positive way.
  • Just saw this from Michael Clarke Duncan. I know, kind of a random post but anyway I thought someone might find it interesting :)

  • @mrlagace - Welcome friend! I'm so happy thrilled to see you here!! You belong here and will have so much to contribute.

    I'm vegetarian and have been solidly so for a couple years at least. Recently I watched a show in which a woman was hunting wild boar in California and it really drove home to me that no matter what your food source, the connectedness and mindfulness with which you approach it is paramount. This woman talked about the moment in which she killed a boar and saw the life leave it, and that even though it would feed her for a long time there was still a moment of sadness in it for her, and that if she ever reached the point where she didn't feel that sadness she would stop hunting. Consciousness and mindfulness about food is a newer concept for me and even though I have not eaten much meat for over 5 years I'm just now starting to take a more "aware" look at all food. It's very interesting! And so, at 32, I've become a vegetarian who supports some hunting whereas in my 20s I was a carnivore who was against hunting - bizarre.

    Great thread, thanks for starting this!
    "the idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving" - Boat Car Guy
  • I've been vegan for 2.5 years. I love it-- it has totally changed my life. I feel truly grateful that this lifestyle kind of fell into my lap. I come from a family of serious meat and cheese eaters, so the fact that I ended up here is kind of crazy!

    I suggest everyone educate themselves on the topic as much as possible. I watch tons of videos and read a lot of books/articles on veganism and plant-based nutrition. The Vegetarian Society of Hawaii has some AMAZING lectures available for viewing on Youtube. Jeff Novick, John Robbins, John McDougall, Michael Klapper, Neal Barnard, Caldwell and Rip Esselstyn, and T. Colin Campbell are all key players so check them out!
  • This guy is swoe! Thanks for this post.

    cantorset said:

    Just saw this from Michael Clarke Duncan. I know, kind of a random post but anyway I thought someone might find it interesting :)

  • gal9000 said:

    The Vegetarian Society of Hawaii has some AMAZING lectures available for viewing on Youtube

    Noted. Thanks!
  • shikoku said:

    Life is so much easier when you don't omit what you like.

    Most of my family hasnt made it past 73 and I intend to live forever. Join me.

    Smoke a bit of DMT and you won't worry about that silly "death" thing any more.

    "It's just a ride." - Bill Hicks
  • jefahjefah

    This is my first comment on the forum. 6 years vegan.
    I just wanted to say that, today I have completed 30 days raw vegan and I'm feeling great. I have more morning and evening energy than I have ever had, and my mental clarity is through the roof. I first thought about going raw after hearing Duncan discuss it earlier in the year.

    I started working out 4 months ago (I was a full couch potato before hand) and I was finding my recoveries were very slow. I started thinking about giving raw a go, to see how this would improve my recovery. The final straw was hearing a body builder publicly saying "you can't build muscle on a raw diet". Challenge accepted.

    For the record, my recovery times are greatly reduced. I'll have to report back in a year regarding muscle building, though looking good so far.
  • jefahjefah

    So it's more 'efficient' for your body to process foods that are high in amino acids (i.e. fruits and veggies)

    I totally believe this.
    I tried to have a 30% protein diet (as per paleo) but that shit is fucking hard on raw. You can eat only so many sprouted lentils. :/
  • I've been vegetarian for about a year now and am enjoying the shit out of it (but I'm pretty lucky because my lady is a great cook and loves trying out different vegetables and recipes).

    Just a quick question though, with in the first few months i dropped from 86kg (190lbs) to 70kg (154lbs), did anyone else have such a dramatic weight loss? i didnt change my exercise routine only major difference is i dropped meat from my diet.
  • jefahjefah
    Hi Stuiereds

    Did you stop eating junk food at the time you went veg?
  • yeh pretty much, i guess that could be the reason why ive dropped so much.
  • Three years vege and lovin it!! Keep it up!!
  • jefahjefah
    stuiereds said:

    yeh pretty much, i guess that could be the reason why ive dropped so much.

    Same thing happened to me. The hard part is staying junk free.
  • @jefah ive found it pretty easy. not a whole lot of junky vego options around me, so as long as i stay away from a falafel kebab im fine!

    plus ever since i bought my house ive become cheap with money so that helps a bit as well.
  • another interesting video:

  • I went from 165 to 145 after about 2 months vegan (8 months in now). Based on what I lift now, there definitely was some muscle loss, but my endurance shot up considerably and I never crash out in the afternoons like I used to.

  • Half vegan here. No eggs,milk only after bacteria has processed it(cheese,yogurt). Juicing like crazy,homemade hummus dip and tons of raw fruits and veggies. Been doing this for 15 years and my energy is better than when I was a teen.
    “If you end up with a boring miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest, or some guy on television telling you how to do your shit, then you deserve it.” -Frank Zappa
  • Try this if you're feeling freaky

    2 cups quinoa
    3 cups water
    1 can coconut milk
    + braggs, soy or ponzu sauce to taste

    Rinse your quinoa in a mesh strainer then boil it with the liquids above and keep stirring on a low heat until it soaks everything up. It will be a bit creamier than usual because of the oils in the coconut milk.

    Then make an asian veggie stir fry with it.

    a tiny lil bit of sesame oil to get things started.
    Fresh Broccoli
    Fresh Pea Pods
    Water chestnuts
    raw cashews
    lots of chopped green onions
    shredded carrots
    honey or agave nectar (makes more saucey than a dry sweetener)
    braggs, soy or ponzu sauce

    firm tofu cubed

    I move the veggies out of the pan and cook the tofu lightly separately with more sauce so it doesnt turn into a mess with stirring.

    The main thing is the coconut milk in the quinoa. I had never had it before, and it was really good, albeit a bit fattening.
    Post edited by deadlights at 2012-06-02 14:34:07
  • Been vegan for a while. It is not difficult and it is not a sacrifice to do the right thing for your own body, for other species, and for the planet.
  • I thought I should drop an update. I have been raw vegan since Feb. I have lost over 20kg (98 down to 78). I have also been working out 3 times a week.
  • Been vegan for a while. It is not difficult and it is not a sacrifice to do the right thing for your own body, for other species, and for the planet.

  • theboheme said:

    Also, can we post up our daily diets? I would be interested to see what the average vegan eats and to get some tips. Mine is roughly like this:

    a shake with bananas, soy milk, protein powder (pea extract), muesli (just chuck it right in the blender). I take a vitamin B supplement and spirulina.

    veges, carbs and sometimes tofu

    veges, and a protein source
    iron supplement

    Nuts, dried fruits, dark chocolate, bread, peanut butter

    please do,
  • CofN

    Vegetarian for 6 years, vegan 3 and I feel pretty good all the time. The hardest thing for me is trying to find affordable vegan art supplies. Some paints and inks do have animal ingredients, but I think trying to limit that as much as possible will indeed help the cause and influence my art in a positive way.

    I know of a vegan art supplier. They make their own watercolor paints and brush soaps. They want to be a one-stop-shop for vegan art supplies. So, if you don't find anything there just ask them.

    Colors of Nature
  • GnomeGnome
    Forgive me if this has already been brought up in this thread already. I just don't have the patience to scroll through the whole thing in one go. Also, apologies if this is the type of Q you get all the time as a vegan/vegitarian. And please remember to @ me, so I don't miss any replies. I tend to forget which threads I've posted in.

    Anywho, my question is this: I hear a lot of talk about not only quitting meat (Not talking about animal related products here) because of the treatment of the animals, but also due to the health implications of eating meat. Thing is, if you reduce your meat consumption to about the bare minimum (Norwegian scientists say about 200 grams per week is sufficient, this could be bogus but that is the number I have to go on), and only eat organic meat without hormones and shitty stuff in it, wouldn't that negate the argument "meat consumption harms your health"? Isn't it over-consumption of meat that is bad for you? I mean, I don't want to come off as a Darwinian asshole here, but there's been a lot of indications that our brains started to grow as soon as we learned how to cook meat and consume it, no? And we started eating meat millions of years ago, so evolutionary speaking, aren't we adapt at doing just that? Isn't that an indication that meat consumption, though at a much smaller scale, is totally natural and might actually be beneficial? All moral considerations aside?

    To make myself clear, I'm not having a go at vegans or vegitarians, and I understand perfectly well the implications of the meat industry and the harm it does to both our health and our planet. And I know humans can adapt to all types of diets if done with understanding and research. The only thing I want to know is, is this just the type of argument that clueless veggies use cos they just don't know any better, or do most vegitarians actually believe that any meat consumption, no matter how little, is gonna harm your body? It'd be interesting to see your replies, though I'm pretty sure most of you are gonna get where I'm coming from here.

    Also, I totally get that a lot of veggies are veggies as a protest to bring about understanding, and not necessarily because they are reactionary. So there you have it ^^
    Og det er Nooorge, og det er Nooorge, Olé, Olé, Olééé!
  • @Gnome I applaud your move toward moderation and I respect your inquiry. I would posit that a lot of the new suddenly grass-fed (possibly grass-finished but no way are they spending the money the whole time) free range (technically this just means they aren't bolted to anything) smiling cow fairy tale meat is keen niche marketing. I would add that ultimately the overwhelming majority of beef is very likely to come from the same slaughterhouses full of dead-eyed sociopaths taking their rage out on cows who have been fed the same corn/antibiotic/hormone/recycled cow smoothie for most of their pitiful abbreviated lives, standards of care and cleanliness "governed" by internally funded inspectors. I'm sure it is possible to source your own meat to the point of knowing the farmer and even the cow if you live in the right place but I have a healthy doubt about it being accessible to the 99 percent.

    I started out vegetarian then vegan for health reasons and found it helped clear up a lot of issues for me personally, but I'm realizing that there are many other reasons to get out of the meat/eggs/dairy game. You can't say you're an environmentalist and eat cheeseburgers that came from rainforest cattle. I feel bad for the farmers trying to keep up with the corporations and make a living but as for the guys running the show and paying off the USDA, I just don't trust the motherfuckers and I sure won't give them my money and hold my breath that the chicken breast I bought isn't full of liquified shit water injected to increase the sale weight.

    That's my two cents, I hopefully don't come off as adversarial I'm just fired up about the fractal horror that is modern America of late. For me, I just find that I can get what I need to feel great without participating in the stuff that pisses me off, so that's what I do.
    "The bad news is, we're it. The good news is, we're enough."

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  • GnomeGnome
    @noizemonk Like I said, moral considerations aside. And I agree, most of the "organic meat" is BS. Luckily, this is not always the case where I live (Norway), but I get that it is most likely the case in the US. And yeah, it's a good idea not to pay those fuckers a dime if you can avoid it. Not to mention the fuckers burning our rain forests to make way for meat production. Fuck those bastards!

    My only point was, all moral considerations and meat industry issues aside, with the sole focus on the "meat is bad for you, period" argument, that maybe meat in small amounts, and from a reliable and truly organic source (A norwegian farm on the west coast, for instance) is not bad for you, and might actually be healthy considering the millions of years of evolution humans underwent in order to adapt to that diet.

    This is an attempt at understanding the choice people make a bit more. In my mind, cutting out meat entirely seems like a step too far. If we somehow managed to convince the global population that they ought to only eat 200 grams of meat per week (Good luck with that), the meat industry would resume to a morally sound and environmentally sustainable state as the demand dictates what short cuts and horrible shit people do for profit.

    I applaud vegitarians and the message (most of them) they deliver to the masses. I only wish to clear up some stuff I feel some vegitarians don't seem to understand, and I believe that the message would be a lot clearer if more vegitarians were receptible to my points. It'd help make more people take them seriously, and not just write them off as "liberal softies with shit for brains".
    Og det er Nooorge, og det er Nooorge, Olé, Olé, Olééé!

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