Oracle42 said:

TheReal said:

This is why the Original Beltane Festival started May-1 and lasted till May 8
This is where the word Mate (may 8) comes from. This was when you celebrated the renewal of earth by getting laid

@TheReal Which hemisphere?

JesusLovesDuncan said:

Cetra said:

I recently heard [though i do not know the validity of it] that calling someone a "square" is derived from freemasonry and is an insult because it means you posses base attributes [such as selfishness, narrowminded-ness]

and there was also something about the circle inside the square represents degrading grace and perfection where circling the square means the opposite, to turn nastiness into perfection. I assume these have more to do with alchemy than anything else

Albert Pike a Freemason of the Scottish Rite wrote about the Square and Compass in Morals and Dogma.

Taken from:

Morals and Dogma: Consistory: XXXII. Sublime of the Royal Secret pg. 850-51

The SQUARE is an instrument adapted for plane surfaces only, and therefore appropriate to Geometry, or measurement of the Earth, which appears to be, and was by the Ancients supposed to be, a plane. The COMPASS is an instrument that has relation to spheres and spherical surfaces, and is adapted to spherical trigonometry, or that branch of mathematics which deals with the Heavens and the orbits of the planetary bodies.

The SQUARE, therefore, is a natural and appropriate Symbol of this Earth and the things that belong to it, are of it, or concern it. The Compass is an equally natural and appropriate Symbol of the Heavens, and of all celestial things and celestial natures.

You see at the beginning of this reading, an old Hermetic Symbol, copied from the "MATERIA PRIMA" of Valentinus, printed at Franckfurt, in 1613, with a treatise entitled "AZOTH." Upon it you see a Triangle upon a Square, both of these contained in a circle; and above this, standing upon a dragon, a human body, with two arms only, but two heads, one male and the other female. By the side of the male head is the Sun, and by that of the female head, the Moon, the crescent within the circle of the full moon. And the hand on the male side holds a Compass, and that on the female side, a Square.

It is the great, fertile, beautiful MOTHER, Earth, that produces, with limitless profusion of beneficence, everything that ministers to the needs, to the comfort, and to the luxury of man. From her teeming and inexhaustible bosom come the fruits, the grain, the flowers, in their season. From it comes all that feeds the animals which serve man as laborers and for food. She, in the fair..

p. 851

..Springtime, is green with abundant grass, and the trees spring from her soil, and from her teeming vitality take their wealth of green leaves. In her womb are found the useful and valuable minerals; hers are the seas the swarm with life; hers the rivers that furnish food and irrigation, and the mountains that send down the streams which swell into these rivers; hers the forests that feed the sacred fires for the sacrifices, and blaze upon the domestic hearths. The EARTH, therefore, the great PRODUCER, was always represented as a female, as the MOTHER,--Great, Bounteous, Beneficent Mother Earth.

On the other hand, it is the light and heat of the Sun in the Heavens, and the rains that seem to come from them, that in the Springtime make fruitful this bountifully-producing Earth, that restore life and warmth to her veins, chilled by Winter, set running free her streams, and beget, as it were, that greenness and that abundance of which she is so prolific. As the procreative and generative agents, the Heavens and the Sun have always been regarded as male; as the generators that fructify the Earth and cause it to produce.

The Hermaphroditic figure is the Symbol of the double nature anciently assigned to the Deity, as Generator and Producer, as BRAHM and MAYA among the Aryans, Osiris and Isis among the Egyptians. As the Sun was male, so the Moon was female; and Isis was both the sister and the wife of Osiris. The Compass, therefore, is the Hermetic Symbol of the Creative Deity, and the Square of the productive Earth or Universe.


The COMPASS, therefore, as the Symbol of the Heavens, represents the spiritual, intellectual, and moral portion of this double nature of Humanity; and the SQUARE, as the Symbol of the Earth, its material, sensual, and baser portion.

p. 854-55


For the Apprentice, the points of the Compass are beneath the Square. For the Fellow-Craft, one is above and one beneath. For the Master, both are dominant, and have rule, control, and empire over the symbol of the earthly and the material.

PINDAR said:

thanks TheReal, patiently awaiting part 2

I always like hearing Jordan Maxwell talk about the symbols in court proceedings. It's true that entering through the gate is symbolic of boarding a ship? I also remember rising for the Judge being compared to the rising of the tides, does anyone know about this?

also, monetary banks directing the flow of currency compared to river banks directing the flow of current

jenkins said:

TheReal said:

Lets start with basic definitions

(Egyptian) Phre - Sun
(Egyptian) Mas - Child

Pumpy said:

TheReal said:

PINDAR said:

TheReal, where are you getting your information?

i study etymology - real etymology - not whats in wikipedia....but from the occult that hide everything - read my illuminati wedding in the writer's section here

"Real etymology" isn't a citable source. I'd be interested to follow up your research, but without citable sources none of us can verify what you're claiming.

Etymology is a preposterously slippery field. As an example (none of which, by the way, comes from wikipedia, or the internet for that matter):

The modern word "host" comes from the Proto-Indo-European root that gives rise to such words as "guest," "hostile," "hostage," and "hospital." This complicated root encompasses all intimate relationships involving mutual bonds of obligation, which is why both positive and negative connotations are included. The actual meaning of the original root word could be "guest," "host," or even "stranger."

What is this root? "Ghos-ti-."

Oh! So a ghost would be a potentially hostile presence, or a stranger occupying a space. The person living in a building is serving as host to the guest presence of the ghost...or perhaps the ghost is the host of the visiting human. Fascinating.

Except not.

Because the modern word "ghost" doesn't stem from the Proto-Indo-European root "ghos-ti-" at all. Not even a little bit.

It comes from the root "gheis-" or "gheiz-d-," meaning "shocked" or "surprised" or something.

Now, you could ask, "doesn't it make more sense that it would come from 'ghos-ti?'" Maybe intuitively. You could ask, "how do they know?" To which the answer would be, "research." Or you could say, "maybe those roots are actually intimately related," which may or may not be the case.

But the point is that making a bunch of connections on the basis of what appears to be semi-manic free association may be intuitively appealing while being completely devoid of meaning.