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The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies
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Found on Reddit. Any agents here?The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
spies cointelpro disinformation
This recently leaked document describes modern COINTELPRO techniques for manipulating Internet forums. Observant readers may have noticed these techniques being used in familiar online forums. Part of modern media literacy includes understanding these techniques. This document contains information about:
1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression -
@fnord and @andyrosebrook outed as CIA after attempting to FORUM SLIDE (Technique #1) this thread!!!
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why would COINTELPRO post their methods on a forum?
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wolfmanalpha said:
why would COINTELPRO post their methods on a forum?
huh?COINTELPRO was officially terminated in April 1971
Because those aren't COINTELPRO methods.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting.
*cough*
It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
who else is going to come out of the woodwork?Post edited by wolfmanalpha at 2012-07-23 10:04:01 -
Cointelpro was shut done after they got caught assassinating people. Long before the internet.
he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
dhizzo said:
Cointelpro was shut done after they got caught assassinating people. Long before the internet.
I should add that claiming "COINTELPRO is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act." (from the link) is a very weak premise without substantive proof.
he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
you don't think large intelligence organizations engage in spreading disinformation?
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Can you think of any examples?
Disinformation exists, denial of climate change is a perfect example.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
that's a great example, and for me it's not that great of a leap to imagine there are people working full-time online spreading stuff like that. probably not here, though. yet.
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The spin on Syria is definitely in favor of intervention. The spin after 9/11 is another good one, how it was used to increase military and police budgets.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE
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Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
@dhizzo if you don't work for the CIA, you should.Post edited by wolfmanalpha at 2012-07-23 11:21:09 -
I think there is enough ignorance that their job is pretty easy. That being said, there's no doubt in my mind they exist. I doubt many are needed... malevolent forum-whoring as a full-time occupation... you can spread a wholelotta ignorance.
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wolfmanalpha said:
why would COINTELPRO post their methods on a forum?
huh?
Maybe for the same reasons the illuminati would put split second images of stadium bombings in tv commercials?
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it's pretty naive to think this sort of thing isn't happening. it's blatantly obvious that the US government's strategy is to control the mind of the people so that you don't have to control them with force. the latter is obviously there in full force, but it ain't needed very often because either you're uninformed (don't participate) or are misinformed (through surreptitious lizard games).erleichda
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fnord said:it's pretty naive to think this sort of thing isn't happening. it's blatantly obvious that the US government's strategy is to control the mind of the people so that you don't have to control them with force. the latter is obviously there in full force, but it ain't needed very often because either you're uninformed (don't participate) or are misinformed (through surreptitious lizard games).
That's why pot & acid (among others) are illegal.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
@fnord of course its happening.. Its been openly acknowledged that its happening - in relation to government use of sock puppets
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LucemPortabo said:
@fnord of course its happening.. Its been openly acknowledged that its happening - in relation to government use of sock puppets
But then, its not really any different than what most people are doing on forums is it?
Source?
Very true. The people will dilute themselves. Religion for example, pursuit of the trivial.
he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
dhizzo said:
Source?
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda
The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.
A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.
Article continues:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
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Sure, it may not be proof that these methods are being used specifically for disinfo purposes (that is, if you consider propaganda to be true..) but my personal opinion is that its kinda silly to believe the government/military/intel is going to come out and say everything they are doing. Obviously they do not do that... I'm not claiming 100% proof, but a more than good reason to consider the possibility.
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@mage_slayer420 lol I'm just joking around.
I've seen that article before, and it is troubling. I've never experienced facebook or twitter fake accounts yet, I think they would be easy to spot.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
We need a controlled experiment where interference from the Intel can be spotted immediately and then back tracked to its first trigger.
In other words, what triggers the disruption. Are too many hits from a certain bit of information traced back to a link from one forum. Are too many credit card receipts showing less beer + cigarettes and more healthy foods. Is less porn being watched by ppl all active on a certain forum. If I wanted to keep my slaves tranced out and preoccupied, these are things that I would monitor. Too many people waking up in one place and direct interference would forthcoming.
But my point is, I'd love to take a scientific approach to studying what the Eyes and Ears are looking and listening for. And what the Hand touches when it unfurls those long satanic tendrils. -
@johnsaintjohn You should look into Systemics and Systems Theory. They were big with the cybernetics crowd of the 1960s going into the 1970s.
I worked for a large company (Zynga) where most of what we did to extract millions of dollars from the masses had very little to do with creating quality video game content. Although at times there was love given by some to the game and its users, the most important thing was always keeping the 'content treadmill' in operation. It was unthinkable that there would ever NOT be something for our highest paying users to digest, because if they get bored they move onto a different game which may belong to a different company.
Now I am wondering if this model could be useful in deconstructing the behaviors of corporate media production and/or the government.
EDIT: Oh, I brought that up originally because Zynga was basically so successful in the social games market because they pioneered the hyper-use of systemics in game design. You would not believe how many experiments were conducted with every single piece of content released for every game. Tweaking difficulty curves, colors of interface elements, whatever, and then using statistics to see if there was a significant correlation between these experiments and desirable statistics such as the number of daily users, $ per daily user, total time logged, whatever.Post edited by dangerdex at 2012-07-23 15:35:52Play my weird art game at http://www.dexterlohnes.com -
dhizzo said:
Can you think of any examples?
Disinformation exists, denial of climate change is a perfect example.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/online-persona-management_n_837153.html
U.S. Military Launches Spy Operation Using Fake Online IdentitiesThese false online personas, also known as "sock puppets," would be equipped to seem like real people while entering online discussion through blogs, message boards, chats, and more. With a false persona, a user could discredit opponents, or create the semblance of consensus.
real world tactics of pretending to blend with crowd
corporations use similar strategy to sell products by hyping them up on their forums or 3rd party forums hiring "web solicitors" disguised as regular forum dwellers to soft sell products
http://gizmodo.com/152901/nvidia-shills-on-hardware-forums
http://consumerist.com/2006/02/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products.html
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during the g20 in toronto people would upload youtube videos showing police brutality, these videos would be heavily spammed with comments trying to discredit what was being shown some comments saying leave Canada if you don't like it.
I checked out many of these youtube accounts and they were all empty (no content or personalization, just empty) and they were all created around 2006 as if purposely setup to spread a pro government/pro police message at whims notice.
I have my own youtube page and during the Japan 9.0 quake i uploaded a video from cam feed on news network i grabbed, video got popular and comments for that video were bombarded with spam bots advertising and I couldn't stop the bots unless i disabled comments or disabled the rankings option which stopped them from voting up a comment they made to advertise their shit.
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@gillsbitches Brilliant! That's the kind of thing I was imagining. The kind of thing you have already experienced and noticed.
Tip of the hat to you, Sir. -
@gillsbitches That second video really creeped me out.
I remember when Occupy was going strong last October I went down to the Embarcadero in SF to check things out. After my time there, I was waiting at the crosswalk to cross the street towards the ferry building when I saw that the car right in front of me (civilian make, no visible equipment, no special plates) was full of uniformed officers observing the gathering. This was before any official police presence had arrived at the scene.
That definitely freaked me out a good bit, knowing that there were officers conducting this more surreptitious surveillance. Any time the police force is hiding their presence from a well intended group of cooperative people, I have to raise an eye brow.Play my weird art game at http://www.dexterlohnes.com -
Anon and his political alt JBungie from the RB have to be top in payroll.
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ladychef said:
Are you telling me that all of my imaginary internet friends are actually real-life SOCK PUPPETS?!?!?
oh, this is a disaster.
On these types of forums, maybe. On twitter/FB, less so. I actually know those people.
he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE -
duncan said:
I wonder if the CIA recruits extremely talented trolls.
Well, sort of. Not the CIA yet, but the state department.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/एकम् सत् विप्राः बहुधा वदन्ति
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is anyone else getting less and less effected by all news of anything really? most of what i take in now is duncan ari joe diaz and the local morning show speaking about living just fuckin living.
so what these nerds who have a need to be hall monitors try to control the sheep of the world? why am i spending money addicted to a chemical diet of booze and fast food instead of slacking up at work and using my free time to get skin cancer and maybe catch some snakes?
the evil people controlling the world only exist as a catelist to push against you. lucifer has come to play with the garden hippies. and theres nothing to do but be human and smile at the priests who tell us when to plant corn and where. -
@virusb23 I.... well... Ok, then.
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I'm with @virusb23 a lot of the time.. I don't pay a lot of attention to politics any more for example, except for entertainment and just to keep up with the times. Giving it power is giving it power over your world, and politics ain't got shit to do with how I live my life.
Its like a group of people playing some shitty game that you don't like, but you dedicate a large part of your existence to learning the rules and workings of this shitty game that you don't even want to play.
I post way too much Doug Stanhope but goddamn, no one's hitting the truth on the same level right now
@1:30
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@virusb23 I also agree. Let them spy. I don't give a fuck. Now, try to throw me in prison, then we have problems.he suspected the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for good or for evil, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command. -NIETZSCHE
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virusb23 said:
. Lucifer has come to play with the garden hippies. and theres nothing to do but be human and smile at the priests who tell us when to plant corn and where.
I love this quote so much.
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