How to not be a pussy and get paranoid from smoking weed: A Tutorial
  • Yea if you guys could supply a tutorial that would be sweet. I have faith in you all. Godspeed.
    Post edited by fullCircling at 2012-06-13 21:39:41
  • Since the onset of paranoia isn't always controllable, the main method I think is not being a pussy about it.

    A bunch of us discuss the matter in this thread:
    http://duncantrussell.com/forum/discussion/2660/discomfort-in-altered-states#Item_16

    It's not a tutorial, but I don't think an ultimate tutorial would apply on an individual level.
    Post edited by ehhrrwal at 2012-06-13 21:54:17
  • And if that doesn't work, get a gun and shoot at everything.

    "Your knowledge of scientific biological transmogrification is only outmatched by your zest for kung-fu treachery! Fiendish Doctor Wu, you done fucked up now!"
  • This topic made me laugh so hard. I've only successfully talked myself out of paranoia once. It was like climbing a mountain in my head. I was kinda hoping for a tutorial, too. I like your style, though, @quietthomas, I'll have to try that sometime.
    "the idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving" - Boat Car Guy
  • Just like dealing with trauma isn't best done by telling someone to "buck up", I think it's also not the best way to know marijuana by calling yourself a pussy for being paranoid.

    Paranoia is a very real part of marijuana. If anyone here thinks of psychedelics as a learning tool for life (like most of you probably do) then it's important to actually address paranoia as a serious side effect. The paranoid state we can all reach is real psychosis. Degrading yourself for feeling fear is a terrible way to combat it.


    The way I deal with paranoia is allow myself to feel it, but not express it. Paranoia can be channelled into whatever you're currently "obsessed" with. Find interesting things in your environment to focus on. I've found that finding the beauty in my surroundings transforms that paranoia from a form of fear, to a form of awe.


    Tl;dr - instead of being afraid of the cops raiding your house, turn on a space documentary and be afraid of the vast, empty, cosmos - because it doesn't give a shit about you... and that's awesome. Use the "paranoia" to appreciate things in a new way.
    Post edited by Clarion at 2012-06-14 00:13:17
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  • When I'm high, I find I only get paranoid when I'm around other people and or have smoked too much. I'm pretty quiet, nervous, and paranoid when I'm not high. So I try to realize that it's just those feelings amplified because of my highness, I'm not really having a panic attack, and my neighbors aren't listening to what I'm doing through my windows. And if you're really freaking out, get in bed and snuggle some blankets or something.
  • don't listen to people who say 'just ignore it' o take your mind off it... the ugly demons that rear their heads are real, you need to find a quiet, dark place, maybe put some music on that moves you, and follow those new neural pathways to their conclusion.

    I began with the fear that everyone was judging me, eventually I realised everyone is ultimately looking out for number 1 and not really concerned with my actions. it was the most liberating thought I'd ever had.
  • @itsLeeOwen
    oh, fuck! I was right all along!!

    SCHIZOPHRENIA ACTIVATED


    eta: of course I meant everyone I came across/.
    Post edited by witlesswonder at 2012-06-14 08:36:21
  • Someone said something in a podcast that I really identified with. I forget if it was Duncan or Ari Shaffir though.

    "Marijuana doesn't make you paranoid, it exposes the paranoia that already exists within you and forces you to confront it."

    "Your knowledge of scientific biological transmogrification is only outmatched by your zest for kung-fu treachery! Fiendish Doctor Wu, you done fucked up now!"
  • from my experience weed amplifies how you feel. if you're already paranoid and insecure then getting high might make these feeling worse. that's why it's import to focus on "set and setting" when you do any psychedelic. if you are watching a comedy movie with your best friend, going on a nature hike, or doing something you enjoy, you're bound to have a good time and lots of laughs. but if you're home alone staring at the wall and dwelling on your negative thoughts, your bound for a mental freak out.
    Post edited by keyshames at 2012-06-14 13:14:08
  • @mrlagace yeaaaa that was Duncan.....

    Always helps to be around people that make you comfortable. But I think it definitely boils down to a combination of things: If youre putting the weed on a pedestal, if you got some shit going on in your head and you aren't used to the way weed affects your thinking, you get hit hard with paranoia
    sapere aude \\\\=0
  • Didn't Terrence Mckenna say to sing?
    oh wait that was on mushrooms...maybe it works with weed?
  • Didn't Terrence Mckenna say to sing?
    oh wait that was on mushrooms...maybe it works with weed?
  • mrlagace said:



    "Marijuana doesn't make you paranoid, it exposes the paranoia that already exists within you and forces you to confront it."



    yes, this. Its part of how weed makes you a "chiller" person, it is humbling. I value my paranoia, so long as I can remember that its just paranoia. It may have some factual basis.

    You might try wearing a bracelet or rubber band or something. When you put it on, think "this is my reminder that Im going in to an altered state, and to expect paranoia. I will see it for what it is, just irrational paranoia" or something to that effect. I write on my arms when I eat mushrooms, usually just reassuring things like "relax, youre tripping."

  • I think for me at first the paranoia was like a voice in my head, i assumed it was my 'super ego'...But i gave into it, because i was fascinated by the way my mind worked after i smoked. So i stopped being paranoid, and listened to my 'super ego's' awesome, creative and superior thoughts. When you use cannabis as an entheogen, you never get paranoid...If you use it to get fucked up, i think it does make you paranoid.

    Just relax, become one with the universe, and ride that lazy river all the way to the refrigerator and any paranoid thoughts will be comedy.

    I also noticed every time i smoked right after having a protein shake, or ate a protein bar after i smoked, really messed me up. I don't know if it was because of the amount of protein being consumed or what...But both times were rough, really bad trip. This happen to anyone else?
    "The ancients believed that the process of achieving ones goals was more important than the actual attainment. That which is important must be worked towards. Nothing of significance comes easy."
  • So i stopped being paranoid, and listened to my 'super ego's' awesome, creative and superior thoughts.



    I think you've got that a little backwards man. The 'super ego' is the structure that concedes to narcissistic desires in the ego. It is anti-creative - the manifestation of parents and authority figures that gives the comforting sense that you're obeying the rules. Apart from not actually existing, the super ego is a "within the box" thinker. If you ever felt ashamed for smoking pot, that's what Freud would've called the super ego.

    And you skipped over the best part. How did you "stop being paranoid"? D:
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  • It's really important to accept the paranoia as a part of you, and hence alterable (dialogue/talk yourself off the ledge). If you disassociate from it, it may take other forms.

    Confront, dialogue, dissolve, re-absorb (ie. analyze later and spiritually progress).
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  • erikerik
    Hrair
    Seven things off the top of my head:

    1. Take a long walk beforehand. That'll release some pent-up anxiety.
    2. Never smoke in situations where the smell of pot smoke could attract outraged parents, school officials, law enforcement, or landlords wanting to evict your ass.
    3. Err on the side of smoking too little at a time rather than smoking too much.
    4. Avoid stress-filled places. Don't smoke near a fire department or hospital, since you'll likely hear anxiety and paranoia-fueling sirens a lot.
    5. Breathe, damnit. Slowly and deeply. It's easy to hold the smoke in your lungs a long time and get short of breath, and that can worsen anxiety or paranoia. Paranoia is merely anxiety with a convincingly scary story attached.
    6. Live an exemplary life, so that you don't have lots of unpleasant karmic energies to deal with when baked. Be fucking nice to people in your daily life, and keep your house clean and your finances in order.
    7. Remember that being baked is a meditation. If you don't hang words on your feelings you won't get paranoid. Instead the pot may trigger raw sadness or raw fear, and you can just fully feel and release these emotions rather than deal with the stories and word patterns your mind wants to concoct from those emotions. Remember that just because your mind is thinking some words doesn't mean these words have any reality.


    That's it. I wish I had this list way back when.
    Post edited by erik at 2012-06-25 00:38:03
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  • Is it paranoia, or anxiety? I find that the anxiety brought on by marijuana is not necessarily a bad thing, in that it forces you to confront your problems objectively. For me, it puts a spotlight on the issues that I need to address with my physical health and financial obligations. It forces me to take everything into account, and it won't let me relax until I've begun to take steps to address some of my issues.

    If it is just classic paranoia, that sucks.
  • mrlagace said:



    "Marijuana doesn't make you paranoid, it exposes the paranoia that already exists within you and forces you to confront it."



    Soo very true,
    Post edited by [Deleted User] at 2012-06-15 12:20:06
  • Just embrace the paranoia. Sit back and laugh at it and how silly it is. If you have to just call up one of your friends that are sure to make fun of you for being so high. Another thing you can try is writing down all of your paranoid thoughts.
  • That's what I do. Iron and Wine - Monkeys Uptown

    I knew you well, I know you best
    A baby mouth and I the breast
    A lazy bone, an eagle eye
    Circling a city that's higher than the sky

    And it's looking like you better do what they say
    Those monkeys uptown, I told you not to fuck around
    Heaven's the name and the river is brown
    With all the mud and the rain, it never settles down
    It never settles down

    Your baby left you unimpressed
    But no one likes a beggar slightly overdressed
    Trouble comes in funky clothes
    You can always find a razor lying in the road

    And it's looking like you better do what they say
    Those monkeys uptown, I told you not to fuck around
    Heaven's the name and the river is brown
    With all the mud and the rain, it never settles down
    It never settles down

    I knew you well, I know you best
    Everybody owes something to everybody else
    Gabriel gave me some news to give to you
    Maybe taken for granted, you've nothing better to do

    And it's looking like you better do what they say
    Those monkeys uptown, I told you not to fuck around
    Heaven's the name and the river is brown
    With all the mud and the rain, it never settles down
    It never settles down


    I asked this question once when I was very stoned in high school. They told me just to relax, "you have to relax." But that has all gone away I don't smoke weed anymore.
  • JoseJose
    Hrair
    Smoke more weed. It's really that simple.
  • @Clarion...Thanks for sharing man, and clearing it up...I know it's like the dominant side of my mind speaking...Perhaps it's my sub conscious rearing it's dominant head...Who knows but i'm about to vaporize and look at the stars...Happy Friday!
    "The ancients believed that the process of achieving ones goals was more important than the actual attainment. That which is important must be worked towards. Nothing of significance comes easy."
  • i get paranoid. and i dont want a tutorial. i'm ok with it
    am i a good boy?

    it doesn't have to be anything

    will u sign my petition to change the name of our planet from Earth to Poor Thing?
  • practice not giving a fuck
  • You don't get paranoid from smoking. You realize that you are paranoid. It's an observation of your own thoughts one usually doesn't get. Can get the same perspective from meditation.
  • erik said:

    Remember that being baked is a meditation.


    Those 7 pro tips were pretty comprehensive, Erik, but keeping this one in mind can prevent you from ever heading down the path to paranoia.
  • its weird. one time i smoked. i was totally relaxed not a care in the world. other time i can feel like the weakest person on earth. going down the river of ridiculous earthshattering negative thoughts
    am i a good boy?

    it doesn't have to be anything

    will u sign my petition to change the name of our planet from Earth to Poor Thing?
  • @messi same thing happens with me every time I wake up.
    fickbowt: "Wearing yesterday's pants - TOMORROW!"
  • fickbowt said:

    @messi same thing happens with me every time I wake up.



    i guess i'm lucky because when i wake up. i feel like i meditated for 8 hours. stillness

    and its because i sleep a lot.
    you probably dont sleep enough.
    am i a good boy?

    it doesn't have to be anything

    will u sign my petition to change the name of our planet from Earth to Poor Thing?
  • @messi I don't sleep enough because I wake up too soon - I think I might need to meditate more.
    fickbowt: "Wearing yesterday's pants - TOMORROW!"
  • fickbowt said:

    @messi I don't sleep enough because I wake up too soon - I think I might need to meditate more.


    mediatatio.n is not. .necessary....but it wont harm.
    sleep pretty much heals the brain
    am i a good boy?

    it doesn't have to be anything

    will u sign my petition to change the name of our planet from Earth to Poor Thing?
  • Try a Jamaican hot box. Smoke in your bathroom with the shower on. It's a waste of water but the steam coalescing with the smoke has a super calming effect. The transition between this humid world you set up for yourself and the world outside is relieving as well like a breath of fresh air. And yeah I'd say avoiding situations in which you might be caught is another solid way to bypass paranoia
  • What if the driving force behind paranoia is actually a positive effect of the drug, intended to force you to make connections between things you would rather avoid thinking about? Obviously many things people get hung up on and worried/terrified about are nonsensical, but perhaps even these nonsensical fears are quietly pointing to some solution to an underlying problem that you would benefit by exploring in a sober state. Just a thought.
  • What if the driving force behind paranoia is actually a positive effect of the drug, intended to force you to make connections between things you would rather avoid thinking about? Obviously many things people get hung up on and worried/terrified about are nonsensical, but perhaps even these nonsensical fears are quietly pointing to some solution to an underlying problem that you would benefit by exploring in a sober state. Just a thought.



    That might just be true. But, I also think it's social conditioning.

    Besides internet forums, how often do you interact with people and have the "deep talk" like we do on here? It's generally a very rare thing to come by, because the average person is thinking about sports, celebrity gossip, video games, movies, porn, and the latest electronic toys at Best Buy.

    When we question about the faults & failures of society we're told "THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS!!"

    Or other times they'll say "YOU THINK WAY TOO MUCH"

    Or, "QUIT BEING SO SELF CONSCIOUS ABOUT YOURSELF"

    In other words, they're trying to tell us to not think outside the confines of this boxed in society we're apart of. Keep in line they say, think like they do they demand, "be yourself" yet they're only happy when we do what they want us to do. We're apart of a culture that has lost it's enthusiasm towards exploring space & technological growth. Instead, they care more about who won American Idol. Sigh.
    Post edited by Heeee at 2012-07-03 18:11:37
  • erikerik
    Hrair
    @robinsoncrusoe:

    What if the driving force behind paranoia is actually a positive effect of the drug, intended to force you to make connections between things you would rather avoid thinking about? Obviously many things people get hung up on and worried/terrified about are nonsensical, but perhaps even these nonsensical fears are quietly pointing to some solution to an underlying problem that you would benefit by exploring in a sober state. Just a thought.



    This.

    Alcohol pushes that fear & paranoia deeper within you, thus making it less painful for a brief time. Marijuana brings all this crap closer to the surface, where you have to confront and deal with it in some way. And I think each time your reservoir of anxiety is brought to the surface, you've got a chance to release some if you can just stay present, focus on your breath, and do some very gentle yoga.

    Done right, I think some people can get to the place within, say, 3 to 12 months where they are substantially less anxiety-ridden and depressed. They've let go and released some shards held within that were gradually tearing them up. But bringing these shards to the surface is painful and can take a great deal of courage and persistence.
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  • weed will make you feel all the shit you're really worried about, but you might project it onto some nonsense like people staring at you. just using that as an example - if you're paranoid about people thinking shitty things about you, guess what? that's really you thinking those things about you.

    most of the time, if you're judging yourself negatively, there's some kind of a reason, and it's a fixable behavior in your life. but the solution is not to continue to judge yourself negatively, it's to just say oh i get it, gross, i'm standing in a pile of shit, i'd better wade out of this now.
    it is what it is, but it ain't what it's cracked up to be
  • Don't think chalking it all up to being a pussy is the right way to think about the issue--
    check out the ebook- Handbook for the High-Functioning Paranoiac ParanoidHuman.Com
    I make my living working with people who get too paranoid when they smoke pot. More about my work here: www.ParanoidHuman.Com
  • What if 2 of the handful of times I've smoked weed I've ended up thinking my heart was about to explode, sweat was pouring off my face and I was afraid to close my eyes b/c I thought I would either pass out and die or if I didn't stay awake and try to regulate things I would go into cardiac arrest? Both times I had to go outside and pace in a circle looking up at the sky at night for literally 3 hours straight before my heart stopped pounding and I could feel my body again, as it had gone almost completely numb at one point and I was having trouble walking correctly and could barely pour myself a glass of water since I felt like a wet noodle with no bones. I also noticed that my short term memory was literally gone. I would have a constant series of random thoughts pop into my brain for a few seconds and then they would be gone, and no matter how hard I tried to remember what I was just thinking I could not, and this happened probably a hundred times over the course of maybe 20 min or so. I felt like I had lost my mind. Time also seemed to have slowed down or I had no perception of it, almost like I was constantly blanking out and coming to and not remembering I had been standing in the same place doing nothing for the past 2 minutes without actually blanking out. I had simply forgotten that I was standing there.

    I was very seriously considering calling an ambulance b/c my heart was racing so fast and I could barely stand. I'm now scared to ever smoke again. Thoughts?
    Post edited by oneonth3run at 2012-09-01 21:13:56
    Kill those fucking vamps. Kill 'em all. Climb out of the shit pit, embrace the light.

    Get up mutha fucka, and go do what you gotta do.
  • Just bask in it and let it pass, and tell yourself it will pass. In my experience, doing this calms me down slowly but surely.
    "We might be overlooking one of the biggest tools we've ever had for evolving and developing our mind...we might have a symbiotic relationship on this Earth with certain plants that we've made illegal. We might need them." -Rogan
    Never Stop Learning.
  • @oneonth3run:

    The nice thing about smoking instead of doing edibles is that the high passes fairly quickly. You might want to wear a wristwatch and look at the time, and tell yourself that things will be significantly better in 30 minutes. That in itself will induce greater calm since it's a reminder that things will get less intense very soon.
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  • When paranoia sets in for me, I put myself in a state of realism. I start analyzing my paranoid thoughts for if they have any basis in sane thinking. I'm sure most people do this to some degree in the face of paranoia. I personally take it to an extreme and it helps me.
  • When paranoia sets in for me, I put myself in a state of realism. I start analyzing my paranoid thoughts for if they have any basis in sane thinking. I'm sure most people do this to some degree in the face of paranoia. I personally take it to an extreme and it helps me.
  • Paranoia is helpful, its there for a reason.
  • erik said:

    Seven things off the top of my head:

    Live an exemplary life, so that you don't have lots of unpleasant karmic energies to deal with when baked. Be fucking nice to people in your daily life, and keep your house clean and your finances in order.


    Great list @erik. In my view this one is most important as it takes care of a lot of anxious shit.
  • Don't smoke weed if you're not at least 65% confident in yourself. I used to be paranoid as a teenager smoking. Then took many years off and grew up a lot. Now I love it.
    Post edited by chrisbones at 2012-09-02 20:12:33
  • "Breath, Breath in the air, don't be afraid to care"

    Slow deep breaths my friends and think "relax" also have you heard of meditation?
    Be Nice!
  • look at why your getting paranoid and whats causing it then if its a very real problem address it when your sober, or whilst your still high how ever u find easier.
    (Q) Have I gone mad?

    (A) I'm afraid so. You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. - Alice in Wonderland
  • Don't smoke weed if you're not at least 65% confident in yourself. I used to be paranoid as a teenager smoking. Then took many years off and grew up a lot. Now I love it.



    that is very true
    (Q) Have I gone mad?

    (A) I'm afraid so. You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. - Alice in Wonderland

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