TEDx Talk on......PORN N' JACKIN IT addiction
  • I've heard this information from a few different places. Its that old reptilian brain adapting (but not very well) to todays insane technology. That same part of the brain is also responsible for reinforcing other addiction like binge eating and binge gaming. So even if you're not a chronic fapper you may still glean something from this if you have bingeing tendencies.

    http://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU

    Introducing..NO FAP: AGE OF AQUARIUS!
    Post edited by moonanite at 2012-10-01 13:51:28
  • I've heard this before as well, but I certainly ignored and rationalized it away. It seems silly to talk about, but I seriously think this might be a big source of a lot of my problems, especially with the ladies. I've been able to kick vices like hard drugs and MMORPGs, but I probably haven't missed a day whacking it since I was first able to.

    Fuck it, coming across this thread is reason enough. I'm going to give it a try.
    एकम् सत् विप्राः बहुधा वदन्ति
    That which exists is One, but sages call it by various names.
  • Krishna said:

    I've heard this before as well, but I certainly ignored and rationalized it away. It seems silly to talk about, but I seriously think this might be a big source of a lot of my problems, especially with the ladies. I've been able to kick vices like hard drugs and MMORPGs, but I probably haven't missed a day whacking it since I was first able to.

    Fuck it, coming across this thread is reason enough. I'm going to give it a try.



    Hell yeah, brother! Slay that fucking vampire and I do mean fucking. This is a no shame zone! Porn/masturbation addiction can be a huge vampire just like any addiction. Think about how it literally sucks the vitality from your body. Not only this but it also separates us from the spiritual side of sex, making it mechanical, shameful, or fetishistic. Dont get me wrong I'm not anti-porn its the addiction that is the vampire but I also know that the nature of the medium doesn't lend itself well to moderation just like fast food or mmos.

    Also if anyone has any good info sources on "sexual alchemy" or "sexual transmutation" (i.e. transforming sexual preoccupation into creative drive) please post it here.

  • Darn you Reptilian Brain!!
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    Moderation is a Vampire.
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  • "Unending novelty."
    "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I will meet you there." Rumi
  • orgone said:

    Moderation is a Vampire.



    Think so? How so?


  • The Duncan Trussell Family Hour No Jack May Challenge?
  • Doesn't everyone jack off to hardcore anal rape fetish, transgender midget porn?

    I can't be the only one?
    "I got stuck in a cravarse on the moun-tain."
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    @Hari_Seldon

    We here at the DTFH can be classier than that. How bout: The Duncan Trussell Family Hour Fifth Dimensional Muladhara Transmutation Challenge?
  • This actually makes a lot of sense to me and is something ive been pondering for a while. Thank you OP for posting this. =]
  • ladychef said:


    pretty interesting about moving the energy in the base chakra up to higher chakras. thanks for referencing that post.
  • The universe sensed my will to stop stroking my rod and thus responded with a challenge: my facebook timeline this evening was overflowing with pictures of very attractive female friends in their wonderfully revealing spring attire. Funny how that works.
    एकम् सत् विप्राः बहुधा वदन्ति
    That which exists is One, but sages call it by various names.
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    moonanite said:

    orgone said:

    Moderation is a Vampire.



    Think so? How so?




    My advice with all things is to do them like you're suffering an ironic punishment in Dante's Inferno. Push yourself beyond your limits. Otherwise you might be one of those people who just half-heartedly does everything in their life, never detecting the little deaths they suffer each day - or getting the most out of positive things, for fear of falling off the fence.

    If moderation were the answer, Puritanism would have been a nonstop fun fest.
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  • orgone said:

    moonanite said:

    orgone said:

    Moderation is a Vampire.



    Think so? How so?




    My advice with all things is to do them like you're suffering an ironic punishment in Dante's Inferno. Push yourself beyond your limits. Otherwise you might be one of those people who just half-heartedly does everything in their life, never detecting the little deaths they suffer each day - or getting the most out of positive things, for fear of falling off the fence.

    If moderation were the answer, Puritanism would have been a nonstop fun fest.


    So the best way to not suffer is to...SUFFER harder!
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    moonanite said:

    So the best way to not suffer is to...SUFFER harder!



    Damn right! Until you realize the pointlessness of your suffering, and thus stop suffering.
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  • nothing wrong with the act IMO, like Stanhope said sometimes you develop a cyst that has to be drained... really interesting vid OP, pretty scary how the 'endless novelty at a click' can change the very structure of the brain. Dopamine and neo-cortexes? I just thought I loved titties.
  • I subscribe to reddit.com/r/nofap and I did the 90 day challenge and failed on the 74th day. I'm doing it again and I'm on the 34th day. Here's what I've learned.

    I am a porn addict and in my past it has hindered a lot of my potential. I would spend whole days scrounging the net for the perfect image or video to jack off to and even then I realized it wasn't so much the orgasm that I was in love with it was the hunt. I saw my taste escalate to things that I felt wasn't congruent with the image of my self, every time I jacked off to bestiality video or a young teen sticking things in her ass the post-orgasm depression became too much. It felt like that part of me that was good was slowly picked apart and leaving only the filth. Before accepting this fact I had already started meditation and the chatter of my monkey-mind would always come to that issue, I needed to stop watching porn. My first time doing the 90 day challenge i would still occasionally look at a sexy lingerie video and rationalizing that i wasn't porn. That rationalization machine in our mind is a motherfucker, because it would cause my failure. I'm not even sure what triggered my porn binge that time but there I was in the middle of it and I couldn't stop it, I understood the mind of the addict. After that would be a month of escalating again and it got to point when I was on TOR looking at some illegal shit, you just make an image what it was, and while some of the images excited me, some of those that were part of the site disgusted me so much, but fuck it I was there and stroking it. So I came, and felt the worst I have ever felt in my life. The images kept haunting me. I needed to meditate and face it, complete honesty. I spent a day basically in mediation. and made a vow not to watch porn again. I think I'm at a turning point where my inner dialogue was cooperated with me, and every time i have an urge i just remember those disgusting imagery I saw and remember the feeling i felt after cumming and the rationalizations dont come. I pretty sure I still gonna have urges but hopefully I can transfer all this sexual energy to something awesome, and it already has, might look into that sexual alchemy, and maybe find a real girl to fuck not these pixels on my screen.

    Sorry for the long rant there but I think that was sort of an exorcism, a vampire slaying if you will. The light of truth destroying the darkness.

    So if you are anything like me, please stop watching porn man, doesn't do you any good.
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    @xdroh

    Good post. It's still my personal philosophy to dive into my unconscious desires AND fulfill them because it's the only way I personally know to truly exorcise them. Telling yourself "That desire isn't apart of ME!!" makes absolutely no sense. Who's desires are these? Why are they there? If you assume nothing about yourself and accept every urge that bubbles up, you can let those bubbles rise to the surface and pop them.

    Now I'm not saying you didn't have an unhealthy relationship to pornography, or that it's ever a good idea to start calibrating your sexual desires with the people who hang out on TOR, but you might find these demons haunting you in the future because you have yet to fully purge them.

    Just words, you don't have to take them as advice, or very seriously.
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  • @orgone

    What I've realized through the research done on the subject as seen on the video and my own meditation on it is that my REAL desire wasn't the fetishes that I've developed over the years it was the pursuit of novelty, because it was the hunt that fueled me, that's why people end up in TOR. I can fulfill that hunt for novelty for real and healthy things like learning a new sport, which I've done, 2 actually, or learning to play a musical instrument, I'm learning the ukulele, or Choas magick which I'm learning from you guys. Even meditation brings about an infinity of states of consciousness, endless novelty. Maybe you are right that everyone has to fulfill their desires, I dunno, but they have to be discerning of their true desire, yes my fetishes are a part of me but I understand now where it was coming from and that I don't have to act on them. Like an alcoholic understands that one sip can bring him spiraling down to oblivion, I understand that for me once I start looking at one video I'm going down to filth city.
    Post edited by xdroh at 2012-04-23 15:48:25
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    @xdroh

    Well said, it seems like you've done exactly what I'm talking about. You shook hands with the Devil, and then parted ways. It's the right move.
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  • He doesn't cover what qualifies for addiction? In his case, I'm presuming any masturbation at all? I generally masturbate 2-10 times per week. Is that healthy?

    Freshmen year of college I did a 40 day no-masturbation challenge with a friend. On day 30ish I ended up having my first girlfriend in years. For the last ten days or so I had to decline her offers for blowjobs simply due to the agreement I made with a friend. On day 40 I cranked one loose into a clear plastic cup, the cum looked like old greek yogurt. It had a yellow tint and was extremely globby. It lead me to believe that avoiding masturbation entirely is unhealthy (if you aren't having sex).

    I'm not sure what to believe. Perhaps an upcoming Duncan Trussell challenge can be to avoid any type of orgasm for x amount of days.
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  • @xdroh
    Nice to see another nofapper :)
    I'm currently on day 155. It has taken me 2 tries to get here. I wan't as addicted as you but it was definitely getting worse before I stopped.

    Also see this other thread: http://duncantrussell.com/forum/discussion/1664/official-no-fap-challenge-support-thread
  • @xdroh

    Thanks so much for sharing your story which sounds like a classic case of porn addiction. Let me tell you I've been where you were as well and I can definitely identify with the feelings of self loathing and depression that come along with it. Its a hard lesson to learn but sometimes necessary.

    I'd like to encourage you not to look at your mishap on the 90-day challenge as a failure. Personally, while i feel no-faps are a step in the right direction, I also think it misunderstands the issue and may cause a harder relapse after a "failure". The goal here (or at least on this challenge) shouldn't be to repress, avoid, ignore, etc. ones sexual desires. Its to act them out in a fully conscious, responsible, and healthy way when needed. Refer to Ladychef's link to her post above about sexual alchemy where it talks about using that life-force in a way that actualizes you instead of diminishes your energy and depresses you. And from your post I can already tell you know a bit about this after using that energy to learn new skills.

    @creamyhole <---lulz, how appropriate<br />
    I don't think avoiding masturbation is healthy at all. I DO think that the obsession (if it is one with someone) is the unhealthy part and porn can easily be a trigger. Like how you wouldn't eat McDonald's (which is quick and easy food) to maintain your dietary health likewise you wouldn't use porn (quick, easy "sex") to maintain your sexual health...I guess...I'm not an expert on this shit!

    @orgone <---also lulz<br />
    I agree with some of your sentiment about taking it to the extreme. I'm an all or nothing guy myself but that matches with my temperament (and weak willpower). While it may work for you, me, and xdroh I presume, I don't think everyone has to go to hell and pattycake with Satan before they can arrive at a reasonable way to cope with a vice. Moderation shouldn't be confused with half-assing if the end result is a healthier lifestyle at the end of the road. Its a tool, a methodology that really works for some people. I can think of a friend right now who is quitting smoking and has gone down over the course of a few weeks from a pack a day, to 7 cigs, to 5, and now I think he's at around 3 (so he says). But that's just anecdotal but there are proven systems out there. Everyone copes differently.





    And I should say I'm not claiming to be an authority on this stuff BUT these are things I've discovered through my own suffering and addiction. I'll post some more research on the whole sex alchemy/transmutation thing as I research it. In the meantime post your own stories and information here. I think we could build a real experiment here. And as always many thanks for your posts!
    Post edited by moonanite at 2012-04-23 16:58:24
  • Shit



    Oh gawd...a female....and shit....oooohh nooo I'm relapsing.

    @wandering_womb and @ladychef
    What about you guys? What's the female perspective on this stuff? Do you face similar issues at all?
    Post edited by moonanite at 2012-04-23 16:57:55
  • I just came to the realization I am addicted to porn as well and I am going to attempt to go 30 days without porn or and orgasm.
  • @wandering_chef

    Like I said, not trying to scare folks or turn them away from acting on desire. The goal is just to be more aware and use it in a positive way. But if you think you need to do the challenge do it! More power to you.

    @ladychef

    Thanks for the post! I like the idea of making it ritualistic. If you have any o-dem tantric sex alchemy manuals lying around post em here!
    Post edited by moonanite at 2012-04-23 18:52:55
  • ladychef said:

    I can give myself a STUPENDOUS orgasm.



    "I got stuck in a cravarse on the moun-tain."
  • well I feel as though I am becoming almost, numb to porn. Since I am regularly sifting through images for my sex blog, the sight of them barely do anything for me. I think that giving myself 30 days will make me crave it again, and then after, I can better regulate how often I am on the site.
  • well I feel as though I am becoming almost, numb to porn. Since I am regularly sifting through images for my sex blog, the sight of them barely do anything for me. I think that giving myself 30 days will make me crave it again, and then after, I can better regulate how often I am on the site.


    Virtual-tolerance? Nothing is better than the real thing, I wouldn't have anything to worry about

  • orgone said:

    moonanite said:

    So the best way to not suffer is to...SUFFER harder!



    Damn right! Until you realize the pointlessness of your suffering, and thus stop suffering.


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  • So, does this mean don't masturbate at all?
  • So, does this mean don't masturbate at all?



    Well I probably be making an official but alternative "no-fap" thread with the tantric practices just as soon as I find some good info to put together. But there a link to the official no-fap above if you wanna try that out. It's all on u brother.
  • I'm skeptical of unattractive people giving me advice about sex...

    v I like this video here. It seems like this woman, as well as giving the PRICELESS, rarely uttered woman's perspective, has a great stance of moderation toward porn. That's where it's at - an assertive, sexually successful woman with advice to share; not some weird, ugly scientist giving data points and biased anecdotes about the "dangers of pornography" or the probably exaggerated successes of pornographic abstinence.


    I think you guys might enjoy this one -

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  • what's wrong with having sex the way you see it in hardcore porn though? o.O
  • what's wrong with having sex the way you see it in hardcore porn though? o.O



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  • well, I agree with most of what she is saying, I wrote that before I finished the video entirely. >.<
  • I am also a woman with an addiction to porn. It's mostly novelty for me as well since I don't act any of it out in my sex life (any more). It's having some negative effects though, so this thread has been interesting food for thought regarding why I turn to porn in the first place. I've ben masking other issues. I think through watching porn I am releasing pent up frustrations and anxieties (mostly non-sexual) in a fantasy setting, kinda like playing video games, but I get off instead of levelling up. I think I'll try laying off for a while (though for the first time in a week I fapped (yes, girls fap too) two times tonight. So I guess I will be starting from zero, LOL.
    "the idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving" - Boat Car Guy
  • @bella I am currently on mw3 trying to prestige for the fourth time. I assume I will become more addicted to it while I try to fight off the porn temptations.
  • I am currently on mw3 trying to prestige for the fourth time. I assume I will become more addicted to it while I try to fight off the porn temptations.


    That's the hidden layer of challenge in the no-porn challenge. Replacing fap-time with something more productive. In an ideal world I'd go for a walk around the block every time I think I want to look at porn. I was sneak-looking though since I'm in a relationship so I actually have a lot of behaviours to address. It'll be good for me to take it on.
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  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire

    what's wrong with having sex the way you see it in hardcore porn though? o.O



    As long as both parties are enjoying themselves, nothing! Just have to get lucky and run into the right freaks.
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  • Wow thanks for posting this, what an interesting synchronicity. I recently decided to take a break from masturbation and internet porn. Lasted about 10 days. I got really excited to watch some again and expected to have a nirvanic orgasm like I'll get with my girlfriend.

    I actually had a very weak orgasm, blew a massive gallon of a load, and felt like shit afterwards. I just remember looking at the massive load I'd left on a nearby towel and thinking "urg what a waste of good vita, I could have shot this into a vagina and I'd probably feel awesome right now"


    Then I found myself wanting to go jack off constantly again and becoming aroused at the tiniest thing, someone mentioning sex, a video with a woman I found sexy, a trigger word like "redhead," actresses I have "crushes" on. I also noted that in the week of withholding from masturbation I had way more energy, was way more productive, and generally less anxious.

    I'm going back to the not jacking it to confirm my suspicions. I don't think masturbation or pornography are bad or immoral things now, but I do think there's a reason why most world philosophies tell you to abstain from masturbating and the importance of withholding your seed for as long as possible. I like the metaphor of comparing it to losing a few ounces of blood every time you cum.

    Also I feel like porn has caused me to always think when my girlfriend and I have sex we need to be pile-driving and hard pounding and throat fucking and doing crazy acrobatic shit when sometimes just laying there and slowly moving against each other is a much more remarkable and pleasurable experience. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you gotta just shove her into the corner of a couch and gorilla fuck her, but sometimes...well sometimes my friends...




    As Above, So Below
  • Day 11 so far without fapping.

    Earlier today he urge was so intense it felt like bolts of electricity were zapping up and down my balls to my head in furious motion. The longer I go, the more intense the thought of a women becomes. Just seeing a girl wearing short shorts makes me want to missionary her so I can dump all my solar plexus chakra energy into her warm moist pocket of nurturing pleasure. The animal urge becomes stronger by the day.

    The longer I go, the more I actually like it. Jerking it daily ruins the fun out of looking at a woman's body, all the excitement goes away by spouting our DNA.

    Those of you like me whom don't have a girlfriend have it the hardest, we're on the highest possible difficulty level.

  • Heeee said:

    Day 11 so far without fapping.

    Earlier today he urge was so intense it felt like bolts of electricity were zapping up and down my balls to my head in furious motion. The longer I go, the more intense the thought of a women becomes. Just seeing a girl wearing short shorts makes me want to missionary her so I can dump all my solar plexus chakra energy into her warm moist pocket of nurturing pleasure. The animal urge becomes stronger by the day.

    The longer I go, the more I actually like it. Jerking it daily ruins the fun out of looking at a woman's body, all the excitement goes away by spouting our DNA.

    Those of you like me whom don't have a girlfriend have it the hardest, we're on the highest possible difficulty level.



    Good job man!
    Some tips:
    Think of something to do when you get the urge. Make it something productive.
    Write down rules for yourself, think of what kind of excuses you might make up when tempted and make rules against them. If you don't make concrete rules you will probably find that your brain comes up with all kinds of excuses when you get the urge.
    Good luck! :)
  • If we sit down and think about it... masturbating is such a brief form of self entertainment. The whole point is to lead to the orgasm... which lasts roughly 5 seconds... and then a cleanup ritual with shame. Could you imagine for just a moment, that you were back in the olden days where you didn't have sex until marriage? Just imagine the feeling of first time sex, your very first orgasm with someone you loved.

    And here I thought my first orgasm through masturbation was the best feeling ever, sex must've been so much more rewarding back then compared to now. We're so desensitized by porn that our standards are raised to unbelievable heights.

    It's sad.
  • ladychef said:

    @ItsLeeOwen, sounds like you might be needing a wank, love.



    How'd you know? :)

    I have no patience for people overdoing things like TV, twitter, facebook, pinterest, alcohol, sex, and then blaming the thing. The thing is fine, the person is broken. Twinkies aren't making anyone fat, they don't have legs, and they aren't crawling into your mouth. Internet porn is unzipping your pants and stroking your dick, when you really need to be doing other things.

    Quit being a little bitch dude, and handle your business before pleasure. That's all I really want to say. With love. xoxo

    Going to stroke my cock.


    And I have no patience for people acting all high and mighty like they have all the answers while shitting on other people. I bet my bottom fucking dollar YOU have some shit that YOU aren't handling right now. Know why? Because we all fucking do! Noones perfect and this whole life is a learning experience. If you can't respond with a little empathy OR at least respond to people as you would face to face (which I assume you wouldn't have the same attitude) then YOU are the one when needs to grow up.

    Addiction is just like getting the common cold, both the virus and the weak immunity have to be present to make the person ill. Its not just one or the other its the gestalt of the circumstance.

    With that said I agree that shame and guilt are a waste of time. But telling someone to stop "being a little bitch" is just as stupid and useless.
  • ladychef said:

    moonanite said:

    ...telling someone to stop "being a little bitch" is just as stupid and useless.



    No sir! Telling someone to stop "being a little bitch" isn't useless and stupid! It happens to be a great way to get in the mood for a good beatoff session!


    Duh.


    Man I had no idea flaming was a fetish...hold up gonna fap.
  • @ItsLeeOwen is there a small piece of you, somewhere way waaay back there, that is just a tad worried that you might be beatin it a little much?
    "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I will meet you there." Rumi
  • orgoneorgone
    Vampire
    Yeah, honestly some of the people in here need to cool it with the internal histrionic psychodrama they've been playing in their heads about epic struggles with vile sin and their glorious triumphant resistance.

    That being said, I am enjoying the no-fap reports. Look forward to more in the future.


    @jimmybob If were going to play that silly game than I guess put me in the same category, since anyone that disagrees with the self-important whining is a pathological masturbator.
    Post edited by orgone at 2012-04-24 23:47:48
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